Marantz AV7005 vs. Cary Cinema 11a Pre/Pro

I have a Marantz SR8500 A/V receiver with B&W speakers across the front, and I would like to upgrade to take advantage of the new high-rez audio formats. I'm considering the Marantz AV7005 and Cary Audio Cinema 11a preamp/processor. For amplification, I plan to use my Lexicon 512 amp or the amp section of the SR8500. Considering the equipment I have, would the extra cost for the Cinema 11a give me that much improvement in sound over the AV7005? Should I use the Lexicon amp or the 8500's amp, or would the Marantz MM7055 5-channel amp be the way to go? I'm willing to spend the money for whatever is going to sound best.

Jack Woodruff

I would definitely not get the Cary 11a (reviewed here with the Model 7.125 power amp). While it does decode all the new audio formats, it has only two HDMI 1.3 inputs, which is too few to be practical in a modern home theater, and they do not support HDMI 1.4 features such as 3D, Audio Return Channel, and Ethernet over HDMI. The updated version is the Cinema 11v, which has six HDMI 1.3 inputs and two outputs, but I'd want HDMI 1.4. Cary just introduced the Cinema 12 pre/pro with four HDMI 1.4a inputs and one output that support the new HDMI features, but I'd want more than four inputs, especially for $5000.

By contrast, the Marantz AV7005 (reviewed here with the MM7055 power amp) offers six HDMI 1.4a inputs and two outputs, and it decodes all the new audio formats for $1500. Reviewer Michael Fremer liked it so much, he bought it, which says a lot, given his golden ears.

In Fremer's review of the Marantz units, he didn't like the MM7055 quite as much as other amps he tried with the AV7005, though at $1200, he called it a great value. As he put it, "While the MM7055 was in the system, the sound of my home theater was somewhat diminished tonally, rhythmically, and especially in terms of those black [sonic] backgrounds. Still, I'd rather listen to this amp than any class-D amp I've ever heard, regardless of power. The MM7055 shaved the edges off of every performance parameter I can think of. But with such surgical subtractive precision, you're not likely to notice it unless you compare it to an amplifier that's far more powerful and expensive. Its musical heart was in the right place and at a price that can't be beat."

I suggest you try the AV7005 with your Lexicon amp and the amp section of your SR8500 before investing in another amp. If you like the sound of either one with the AV7005, great. If not, you might try the MM7055 or—ironically—the Cary Model 7.125 ($4000), which Fremer liked a lot.

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theo's picture

I can relate to what Jack is writing about. He's looking for the best sound among a preamp-amp combo. For me, and perhaps for Jack, the HDMI switching may or may not be an issue. WIth a good HDMI switcher and dual HDMI outputs on the Oppo Bluray player for one, you can go to your pre-pro for audio and your display directly for video. If you need a switcher for more inputs, so be it. Yes, it adds some complexity, but it works and can work very well.

I haven't listened to either the Carey or the Marantz. I had read Michael Fremmer's review and it was very flattering. But there's a difference beyond inputs and HDMI versions when it comes to audio. When I play my analog out for a CD and then let my Anthem pre-pro decode, there's a definitive difference in the presentation of the piece. One is a more "intimate" approach and the other puts the staging further back--the 10-20th row approach. It's crazy how different it is... but it's different. Those nuances, soundstage, and overall balance among others are as important as the video experience. My hunch, and maybe I'm wrong, is that Jack might also listen to two-channel and thus, the better "sounding" pre-pro is important from that perspective.

Regardless, my point is that there is always a way around the perceived video limitations. When it comes to the audio, I think that the pre-pro and amp combo is still king.

fimillerny's picture

I feel the pain of HDMI vs a legacy component. I have a Lexicon MC-12B which I am very happy with but I am about to upgrade my plasma which will have HDMI and an Oppo BDP-95. What do you think about trading (giving away the Lexicon) and getting the Marantz AV7005. The reviews have been very encouraging and I like the idea that replacing it 3-5 years from now will be less painful. Your thoughts?