John Hiatt on the Art of Intimate Recording
Mike Mettler: I am going to officially accept your terms of surrender, so thanks for the offer. It’s much appreciated.
John Hiatt [laughs heartily]: Yeah, well, you know, what else can I do? I give.
Mettler: Well, you can keep making records like this one, because I love the sound of it. You basically cut it live off the floor in Nashville. Was that the plan all along, that everybody would record together?
Hiatt: Thank you very much. It was done at Doug Lancio’s place. He produced it, and he also plays guitar on it. He’s got a little joint over on the other side of the river here in Nashville. We’ve always cut records that way, with people playing together. I also did some things where it was just me and Kenneth [Blevins, his drummer]. It’s a novelty these days. [chuckles]
Mettler: It is, but it lends to more honesty when it comes to songs that start with just your voice and your guitar. You get the full character of you counting a song in or taking a breath before you start singing or playing. That just makes sense for this kind of record.
Hiatt: Yeah, it sure does. Getting the song and the feel, to me, is what you’re trying to do.
Mettler: Did you record in 96/24?
Hiatt: You know what, it’s not even that — I think we did it at 48/16, nothing fancy. I did have a really good vocal mike, though — I think it was an M49 [Neumann TLM49 condenser microphone], which sounds good on my voice. And I brought in this little cheesy Silvertone amp I’ve had for years, a little laid-in speaker thing.
Mettler: I don’t think a Silvertone amp is allowed to be called cheesy anymore.
Hiatt: Well, I’ve had this thing since back when they were cheesy. They’re in vogue now, I think.
Mettler: You can call them vintage.
Hiatt: You can. I played an acoustic guitar on everything. Sometimes it was my [Gibson] J45, sometimes it was that old Harmony that I use. We hooked a pickup to each one of them and ran them through the amp, and miked it as well. So we used both signals, and that was kind of the tone. And of course I was singing and playing at the same time, with the acoustic bleeding into the vocal mike, and that was the sound.
Mettler: That, to me, makes for a better record. When you kick off with “Long Time Comin’,” I just prefer that in-the-room sound, the ambience of you guys clicking together at the same time. You can’t ProTool that.
Hiatt: Yeah, it’s live, so we’re kind of inviting y’all in to give us a listen. [chuckles]
Mettler: It’s a sitdown kind of record. Is the best way to listen to an album like this one on vinyl?
Hiatt: I love doing vinyl. Some people protest when you cut it in digital, but there’s still a mechanical end to it that makes it sound wonderful. The fact that you go through the mechanical cutting of a lathe going into a disc makes a beautiful sound, whatever your source is. So it’s well worth doing.
Mettler: I wrestle with convenience over quality sometimes. Speaking of quality and high-res, Master of Disaster  was a 192/24 recording, wasn’t it?
Hiatt: Yeah, it was. I did two other albums at my home studio that were cut on a DSD system: Same Old Man  and The Open Road .
Mettler: That was the Sonoma system, right? [i.e., the Sonoma 24-channel Direct Stream Recording and Editing System]
Hiatt: Yeah, the Sonoma, which beats all of that stuff. It’s a single-bit continuous-stream digital system. It was awesome. Everything gets reduced down to 16-bit, but the detail in those records is amazing.
Mettler: One of the most interesting things on Terms of My Surrender is the character of your voice, as we get to hear how it’s changed over the years. You said you realized you were singing in a lower register while you were working on the album. Did you have to adjust how you wrote and played for it?
Hiatt: Well, yeah, you know, these songs are all in a lower register. It just kind of happened. The last couple of records, I sang up in my usual sort of “rock” voice — and I can still sing up there for the most part, but I’ve definitely cut down in register some. These songs were all kind of written down there. The first song we cut was “Face of God,” and it just came out in that sort of voice, which carried through the whole deal. That’s it.
Mettler: Another important thing when putting a record together is the sequencing. How good are you at it?
Hiatt: The sequencing has gotten better over the years, as I’ve let someone else do it. [laughs] It’s funny, because I’m good at writing a live set, but sequencing just baffles me. I mean, I can help: “Yeah, that’s a good starting song.” “Yeah, this will end the record well.” But I get lost in the middle.
Mettler: Wow. Why is that?
Hiatt: I don’t know. But Doug put it together. I moved a couple of things around, but I need help. I’m sick, and I need help. [chuckles]
Mettler: You’re a master of disorder.
Hiatt: That’s right. I’m disordered. I have a disorder! [both laugh]
Mettler: In terms of mixing and mastering Surrender, did you have any special instructions?
Hiatt: Well, Doug’s got great ears, and I’ve got good ears, so… we’ve been doing it this way for a long time. I spent years sitting in mixing rooms, and it’s so tedious and boring to me; I couldn’t stand it anymore. So I quit doing that years ago. Doug would send me the mixes, and I’d give him some input: “The voice needs a little more treble here. Take some more of the bass and heaviness off there.” But most of the time he sent me mixes, I’d think, “Man, that sounds great.”
And the mastering — I try to stay out of that too. John Baldwin mastered it twice, and the second one I didn’t like. He and I agreed the first pass was the best.
Mettler: What was different about the second pass?
Hiatt: He tried to push it a little, and it sucked out some of the invitational sense that you talked about. It kind of closed that off a little bit. It was less inviting. And we want to let people in. We don’t want to close them off. We don’t want to shut the door, we want to open it. The goal was to make it feel like we were all together on the back porch.
Mettler: It really does feel like we’re sitting right there with you guys, sharing the whole story together. Ok, last thing. You did a couple of records in surround sound — Bring the Family on SACD and DVD-Audio [in 2004], and Master of Disaster on SACD [in 2005]. Is that something you think about at all these days, of doing any more 5.1 mixes of your work?
Hiatt: I’m still more of an old left–right guy — stereo — but more because of my age, probably. I remember when stereo first came out, trying to convince my father it was different from mono. And he wasn’t buying it! “But, Dad — there’s an instrument on the left side, and it’s not on the right side!” Then he would say, “It’s the same! They’re just selling you new sh--!” [laughs] He was funny.
An extended version of this interview appears on Mike Mettler’s own site, soundbard.com.